Jumping through unfriendly recruiter hoops

(Jon) #1

They say that complaints and rants are borne of recent poor experience, and this one is no exception. In fact, when I searched this board to find what I said about recruiters last time, it was late 2015, not co-incidentally when I was last looking for work. Sadly not much has changed since then, nor in the eight years since I wrote this.

So, I find myself on the mailing list for G2 Recruitment. The custom email address I supplied last time indicates they got my email address in 2015. I don’t remember dealing with them, but it is possible I dealt with them in another guise before they were taken over.

I saw an email from them today, advertising a role that looks like an 80% good fit. I am invited to send my “latest CV” by reply, but I have a policy of speaking to a recruiter first, to see if I think the job exists (!) and whether I like the sound of the recruiter and the client. As I noted in my blog post, I am inclined to believe that some recruitment firms advertise roles that do not exist in order to hoover up job seeker CVs (and once one rogue recruiter does this, some others do so in order to level the playing field).

I do not profess to have a view about which recruiters engage in this behaviour :slightly_smiling_face:.

So I called for the recruiter named on the ad, and I am told he is on the phone, but that I should send a CV. I say that I’d like to talk first, but the agent is insistent, and doesn’t ask to take my number before dismissing me and putting the phone down. Without question, this was a codified “bugger off”.

What are your views about co-operating with these sorts of demands? Sending a CV is not much skin off my nose, admittedly, but I sense that I’m dealing with pretty cut-throat salespeople who aren’t very nice, and that bothers me. I don’t like chucking my CV to every Tom, Dick and Harry either, especially if I don’t know how I got onto their mailing list.

I dunno. I think I just want this business to be more personable.

(Andy Wootton) #2

I wouldn’t send it. They were probably sold your CV by another cowboy who went out of business or stole it when they left a job. The agencies that behave like this also put you forward for jobs without permission and can lose roles for you by competing against soneone who was polite enough to ask first.

(Jon) #3

Thanks @Woo. Yeah, I think I will bin this one. I’m not in a great rush to find work.

For every period when I am actively looking for work, I set up a fresh alias on my domain containing the year, and I update my CV likewise. I am pondering how to automate this in order to give every recruiter a different alias, so I can trace the ne’erdowells that are trading/borrowing/stealing my data. :nerd_face:

(Andy Wootton) #4

I put a Copyright notice on my CV, so they have to ask my permission to send it out. Surprisingly, they seem to take that seriously. Maybe they’ve been sued before.

(Alex Russell) #5

If you use Google Apps or whatever they call it these days (and maybe others do this too), you can do the old work.2018+recruitername@mydomain.tld kinda thing. Of course, if they’re wise to the + thing, they can just remove it or change it to something else. In fact I’d be inclined to use the + trick regardless of individual recruiters, just to save on the new-alias-every-year thing!

(Jon) #6

Indeed. However, I use an alias for everything on my own domain, so recruiters would not know what “default” alias to use to avoid being detected as a spammer. My only drawback has been sharing aliases between recruiters, and being too lazy to set up something more specific per-recruiter. If I get another couple of bad experiences, I may be driven to setting it up.

(Jon) #7

As an interesting counterpoint to my experience documented above, I had a very nice conversation with a recruiter last week on the blower. It went like this:

Me: I’ve seen an advert on the web for a contract software engineer, can you tell me about it?

Recruiter: certainly. This is a very interesting role, it has {features} and the team are very nice. I’ve recruited for these people before. Would you like to see the spec?

Me: yes please! {receives email, reads}

Recruiter: let me tell you about the client. Their name is {name} and they’re based at {location}.

Me: great stuff. Out of interest, why are you being so helpful? I mean, most recruiters are really reluctant to reveal the client and a spec so early in the conversation.

Recruiter: ah, good question. It’s because we have an exclusivity contract with the client, so other recruiters wouldn’t be able to snaffle them away from under our noses as soon as they find out who the client is. It means we can be more open about the spec and commutability.

Me: more recruiters should do that thing.

Recruiter. Yep! Would you mind sending me your CV by reply?

Me: not at all {attach, send}

Recruiter: this looks pretty good, can I send it to the client?

Me: please do.

That produced an interview for the following day.

So there is probably a lesson here. I appreciate hirers might be a bit nervous about signing exclusivity deals, but dear me, that was so much easier.

(Andy Wootton) #8

I have worked for a large company that signed a single-supplier deal. It was not an entirely positive experience. It stifles competition from small, specialist agencies that know their market better. It also became very difficult to propose any solution that was not based on Microsoft products, though I specialised in high-availability systems.

(Jon) #9

I’m sure you’re right, but I am still searching for such a thing for my sector. “Plague” and “houses” sometimes comes a little too easily to mind :wink:

It is possible I am just turning into a grumpy (old) man, of course.